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Meesh
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 Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:34 am Post subject: Little Things You've Always Wondered About |
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- Jasmine's birthday is in 3 days from us meeting her. If we do the math, what happens on her birthday?
- Day 1 - she meets Aladdin. Aladdin is capture
- Day 2 - Prince Ali, A Whole New World
- Day 3 - The royal announcement, Jafar takes over. Shouldn't this have been their wedding day then? Did nobody wish her a happy birthday? 
- Do you ever wonder what Jasmine did for the few hours between her escaping and the sun coming out?
- To quote Genie, "What don't we fire that guy?" Razoul works directly for Jafar and he f***ing likes it. He LAUGHS when he attempts to kill Prince Ali. He has no idea that's Aladdin and should have nothing against him. He's a sadist and a psychopath, and he should have been treated with the same amount of contempt as they gave Iago.
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Meesh
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- When the vendor says, "She says she knows the sultan," what was his point here??
- The guards just straight up leave Jasmine to find her own way home alone in the city after capturing Aladdin? If I were her, I would have followed them the WHOLE WAY and not let Aladdin out of my sight.
- If Abu touching the forbidden treasure counts, then why does Abu entering the cave NOT count?
- Also slight confusion that all of the treasures are forbidden, but one is CALLED the forbidden treasure.
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AladdinsGenie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Little Things You've Always Wondered About |
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| Meesh wrote: |
- Jasmine's birthday is in 3 days from us meeting her. If we do the math, what happens on her birthday?
- Day 1 - she meets Aladdin. Aladdin is capture
- Day 2 - Prince Ali, A Whole New World
- Day 3 - The royal announcement, Jafar takes over. Shouldn't this have been their wedding day then? Did nobody wish her a happy birthday?
- Do you ever wonder what Jasmine did for the few hours between her escaping and the sun coming out?
- To quote Genie, "What don't we fire that guy?" Razoul works directly for Jafar and he f***ing likes it. He LAUGHS when he attempts to kill Prince Ali. He has no idea that's Aladdin and should have nothing against him. He's a sadist and a psychopath, and he should have been treated with the same amount of contempt as they gave Iago. |
-Maybe it's "you have three more days to find someone" and then on that fourth day, which is her birthday, she must be married? I think they were just trying to stay alive at that point. They'll talk about what cake she wants if they survive later
-In the book "Jasmine's story", she leaves right before dawn and finds shelter in an old abandoned stable nearby to sleep in until there's more light out. Then she trails behind some other vendors and Agrabanians heading into the city once she awakens. So I'm assuming it was something like that? Maybe she left even closer to dawn in the movie, and by the time she made it to the center of the city it was early morning? Cause in the time it took to get from the marketplace to Aladdin's hovel it's already sunset, so I assume a lot of this is travel time.
-What always got me is he was happily willing to kill a visiting prince. Like, let's say for a minute Ali was real - he honestly didn't think his hypothetical country would retaliate? That they were just gonna accept "oh he disappeared shortly after he got here" and their lost prince would become some sort of urban legend?
Later on in the franchise, I think Disney tried to reframe his character under this "well, you know, Aladdin stole things so Razoul was right to get on his case" narrative, but it ran far deeper than a simple criminal/cop dynamic. Part of the irony I think we were supposed to get in the first movie is that the 'good' people who were supposed to be upholding the balance between right and wrong were clearly corrupted, prejudiced, and straight up evil at times, versus our resident 'bad' thief who only stole what he needed to survive but was otherwise a decent person just trying to get by. We reeeeeally should have got a new set of guards, but maybe they convinced the Sultan they too were hypnotized by Jafar or something. |
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AladdinsGenie
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| Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Meesh wrote: |
- When the vendor says, "She says she knows the sultan," what was his point here??
- The guards just straight up leave Jasmine to find her own way home alone in the city after capturing Aladdin? If I were her, I would have followed them the WHOLE WAY and not let Aladdin out of my sight.
- If Abu touching the forbidden treasure counts, then why does Abu entering the cave NOT count?
- Also slight confusion that all of the treasures are forbidden, but one is CALLED the forbidden treasure. |
I think Farouk found it hard to believe Aladdin had any family who worked in the palace . There's an understood social class structure at play here, and it's unlikely the family Aladdin is suddenly saying he had were high enough in standing to be able to work for the royal family (even in what would have been a presumably lesser role but close enough to ask the sultan for money) AND have a notorious thief ruining their name on the streets.
Jasmine: How do I get home?
Razoul: ....back the way you came? duh?
I'm assuming they have guards posted all around the city, and he told the closest ones to take her back while they handled Aladdin. That, or when they hauled Aladdin off (I think some sort of transportation is involved here since this would be a looooong walk), he had one of those men we saw stay behind and take Jasmine home. By the time Jasmine is interrogating Jafar, she's still reeling from the incident yet they had enough time to sentence and 'execute' Aladdin by nightfall. There's no way they found out she was in the city unsupervised and did nothing about it.
My question is how did no one in the palace know Jasmine was gone for like 12+ hours? NO ONE wondered why they hadn't seen the princess all day? Not even in her room or in the garden or next to her suddenly depressed pet? She wasn't seen for breakfast or lunch, and no one that handles her clothes or schedule was alarmed?
So either:
1. The cave would have given that spiel if you touched literally any treasure that wasn't the lamp since it's all forbidden temptations meant to throw the unworthy off
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2. 99% of the treasure in the cave is not necessarily 'forbidden', but it's just that one in particular was the worst one to touch because it was being held by an idol - hence why the cave calls them infidels specifically. That was typically said towards people who do not respect or follow your religion in a deragatory way (and to be fair, it's deliberately set up as a last-second temptation contrasted against you finally reaching the 'beat up, worthless piece of junk' you're there for despite it containing a god-like entity inside). If that was part of whatever inner magic-religious-power the cave had, then yeah, I can see why that's THE forbidden treasure versus some gold pots and coins I told you not to touch.
And the thing with Abu being able to enter the cave I feel like is an extention granted to him by way of Aladdin being the current diamond in the rough since Abu technically would also be considered someone whose worth lies far within. It's just that his greed gets the better of him occasionally, and this was one of those times when it would have been best if it didn't (even when the cave intentionally provokes it, but that's what a true diamond in the rough would see through and avoid). |
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