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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do not know if Sa'luk is a Disney villain, because I never heard of him, but from the name I can tell he is an anime character.
Sa'luk is the villain from Aladdin and the King of Thieves. Smile But it was partially animated at WDA Japan, does that count? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do not know if Sa'luk is a Disney villain, because I never heard of him, but from the name I can tell he is an anime character.

Uh, try the big gray-skinned guy from Aladdin and the King of Thieves. Wink

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Davy Jones and Barbossa are not cartoon villains.

It's the tentacles, mate, the TENTACLES! Very Happy

Watch PotC2 and tell me honestly that they aren't just two degrees off from being cartoon caracters. Wink

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In my opinion, the villain pairings I made are like incest, so it should be like this:

Jafar and Ursula
Hades and Maleficent
Gaston and Yzma
Percival C. McLeach and Cruella De Vil
Sykes and Madame Medusa
Judge Claude Frollo and Queen Grimhilde
Captain Hook and Lady Tremaine
Edgar the Butler and the Queen of Hearts


Jafar/Ursula - sounds interesting.
Hades/Maleficent - dunno... I just don't see the sparks flying.
Gaston/Yzma - gah! Why does everyone keep pairing him up with old women?
Percival C. McLeach/Cruella De Vil - never heard of McLeach before; unable to form opinion.
Captain Hook/Lady Tremaine - I think he's too spastic for her tastes.
Edgar/Queen of Hearts - sure, why not? Her current husbund is a total doormat.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I got it:

Captain Hook and Maleficent
Jafar and Ursula
Hades and Cruella De Vil
Gaston and Anastasia (daughter of Lady Tremaine)
Clayton and Drizella (daughter of Lady Tremaine)
Percival C. McLeach and Lady Tremaine
Judge Claude Frollo and Madame Medusa
Gaston and Queen of Hearts (this is not incest, is it?)
Stromboli and Queen Grimhilde
King of Hearts and Madame Mim
Shan-Yu and Yzma

As for Sa'luk, finding out who he is, I do not like her with Maleficent, but that is just me.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disneyfan wrote:
Davy Jones and Barbossa are not cartoon villains.


So what? The title of this topic is "male and female villains: brothers and sisters?" The word "cartoon" isn't in there.

Silly Syera, I'm just taking your advice and spelling it phoenetically so nobody mispronounces it.

Yzma? With GASTON? Eeew! Haven't you ever read any transformation fiction? She'd probably turn him into a draft horse and sell him to the highest bidder!

Now Jafar... He'd go great with Yzma. They're both old creepy people who futz with magic, and he even turned into a giant snake once.

Speaking of Spirited Away... Hades/Yubaba... *dies laughing* THAT I want to see.

disneyfan wrote:
Captain Hook and Maleficent
Clayton and Drizella (daughter of Lady Tremaine)

I definitely dig these.

disneyfan wrote:
Shan-Yu and Yzma

I don't think Shan-Yu's that old. Hmm... maybe he'd do well with Queen Grimhilde... his thirst for power and hers for beauty would compliment each other without interfering with their relationship, and I'm sure he could make good use of her skills.

*just looked up Frollo* Wow, does he look French. They did a good job. He also looks like Roy Scheider, which is strange... I really can't see him with Madame Medusa, though. He seems too.. stiff, uptight, starched-panties kind of guy. Lady Tremaine seems more his speed.

Gee... it seems I can't make a post without disagreeing with somebody.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janette Morgan wrote:
disneyfan wrote:
Davy Jones and Barbossa are not cartoon villains.


So what? The title of this topic is "male and female villains: brothers and sisters?" The word "cartoon" isn't in there.

Good point.

[url]Silly Syera, I'm just taking your advice and spelling it phoenetically so nobody mispronounces it. [/url]
And whose phonetics would that be? o_0

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Yzma? With GASTON? Eeew! Haven't you ever read any transformation fiction? She'd probably turn him into a draft horse and sell him to the highest bidder!

...And you admit to reading this stuff?

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Now Jafar... He'd go great with Yzma. They're both old creepy people who futz with magic, and he even turned into a giant snake once.

Ew, no. She's too old for him. She needs to go with Mr. Burns or something.

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Speaking of Spirited Away... Hades/Yubaba... *dies laughing* THAT I want to see.

...Count me in, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syera wrote:
And whose phonetics would that be? o_0

Ours. It's just that calling her Troomane would be too obvious.

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...And you admit to reading this stuff?

Hey, I don't (intentionally) read anything over a PG rating.

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Ew, no. She's too old for him. She needs to go with Mr. Burns or something.

Yeah, and Genie has to team up with Homer to stop them. Uh-huh. Rolling Eyes You're weird.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, and Genie has to team up with Homer to stop them. Uh-huh. Rolling Eyes You're weird.

Don't be silly. Homer would team up with Llama-Man... er, Emperor Kuzco. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, right. Of course. *imagines Kuzco accusing Homer of being a criminal mastermind*
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Rolls over laughing*
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, I was not clear. I was originally trying to ask which Disney cartoon villains do you see having a potential brother-sister relationship? Examples: Jafar and Maleficent, Hades and Ursula, Judge Claude Frollo and Lady Tremaine, or Captain Hook and (fill in whichever female villain you feel could be a sister of his), but it got turned into a who's dating who love fest.

I was originally not trying to ask who is perfect for who or which Disney fan would like to see a villain with which other villain from Disney (non-animated) or non-Disney, but it turned into that sort of post.

I was in a little rush when I first created the post, because I really liked the idea of my post (not to be boastful), but maybe I got a little too carried away with it.

Since everything is out in the open now, I do not care anymore with which Disney villain is dating which Disney villain, maybe we all got tired of thinking about possibilites. Who knows?

I need to share this, however; here is a notion of mine. All the Disney villains (no need to point the obvious) have similar features (not just by interests), examples - Clayton and Gaston look a lot alike, Cruella De Vil and Yzma look a lot alike, etc; but here is an idea. What if there is a Brady Bunch like connection?

Here is what I mean: since Yzma is the oldest she can be the mother, and Destane may be the oldest if so he is the father, Chernabog can be in the middle, the female children (the Disney villainesses) include: Queen Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Queen of Hearts, Maleficent, Cruella De Vil, Madame Medusa, and Ursula, and the male children (the Disney villains) (their male counterparts) are: (whoever could be the "brother" of Queen Grimhilde), Judge Claude Frollo, (whoever could be considered the 'brother" of the Queen of Hearts), Jafar, (whoever could be considered the "brother" of Cruella De Vil), Percival C. McLeach, and Hades.

All the other villains could be cousins or something. All in all, this is what I mean. I am not trying to sound rude or tell anyone off, but this is the original idea of my post. Thank you for listening.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about your ohana Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, sorry about getting off topic there. It's just that when you really get rambling, one thing starts to lead to another and you wind up talking about any sort of topic that may or may not be related to it. For example, my family will be talking about Star Trek/Stargate, and invariably someone will mention that Jonathan Frakes or Jason Momoa is 6'4 tall, we'll start talking about the heights of various actors and Tom Cruise will work his way into the conversation. It just happens.

Anyway... I'm not sure about the whole Brady Bunch thing, but I can definitely go for characters being related. Like Hades and Ursula, as I mentioned earlier. (And, to round off their family: Heatmeiser and Syndrome.) Then Maleficent, Cruella, Scar and Jafar all have a resemblance, and of course there's Yzma, Madame Medusa and the Queen of Hearts. Gee -- this could be a sitcom in itself. "Disney Villain Family Roomies!"

Not to discount your post, of course. Your idea has merit; I just think it's a little messy to stuff so many characters into so few groups.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the "Disney Villain Family Roomies!" idea better than mine, but here is why I suggested mine:

Maleficent, Cruella De Vil, and Ursula all look like Yzma. Madame Medusa and the Queen of Hearts look like each other, but also like Yzma. Queen Grimhilde and Yzma look alike. Madame Medusa and Ursula look alike, Madame Medusa and Cruella De Vil kind of look alike. Maleficent looks like Lady Tremaine, Cruella De Vil, and Queen Grimhilde.

As for the guys:

Clayton, Gaston, Captain Hook, and Ratclfife look alike. Lyle T. Rourke also looks like Clayton. Jafar and Judge Claude Frollo look alike; Jafar and Captain Hook also look alike. Percival C. McLeach also looks like Clayton. Stromboli and the Ringmaster look alike, Shan-Yu and Ratcliffe have some similar features but hardly any.

As for the guy-girl groups who look alike include: Jafar and Maleficent, Captain Hook and the Queen of Hearts, Hades and Ursula, Judge Claude Frollo and Lady Tremaine.

I can't recall the other villains, but there are other similar features to the other Dsney villains that I am not thinking about right now.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Shego from Kim Possible is very similar to Mozenrath.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jafaria wrote:
I think Shego from Kim Possible is very similar to Mozenrath.


I can see why, considering that the creators of "KP" were story editors for the "Aladdin" series and are credited with creating Moz. That and they both got the unnaturally pale skin, glowing hands, and snarky attitude going.
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