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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AmethystFae</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:26 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>The Evil Chalupa wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Actually, I just think the whole rape thing in fanfics are dumb. But then again, I'm not one to read fanfics...</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I find it hard to read fanfics, unless someone specifically asks me to read theirs, because no matter how hard you try, everybody's going to make even small subtle changes to a character that another might not like or agree with. Plus, I don't want to inadvertantly steal others' ideas. <br /> <br />~Hikaru</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The Evil Chalupa</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:39 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Actually, I just think the whole rape thing in fanfics are dumb. But then again, I'm not one to read fanfics...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">While I was thinking about this thread and especially the concepts of rape and Jasmine in slash, I recalled the first Al/Moze fic I ever read. It was years back when FF.Net still accepted NC-17 fics. It's long gone now, so I don't remember all the details. However, I'm curious to know if anyone else remembers this story. <br /> <br />Anyway, Mozenrath got brutally raped by some kind of magical being and there was some angst about how Destane had done the same to him when he was a kid. Somehow he escaped and ended up in the Palace. His spirit had been broken and he was hurt, so the heroes decided to take care of him. <br /> <br />There was a scene during which Jasmine approaced Aladdin and said, "Mozenrath is hurting. I understand if you want to have sex with him. He needs it." <br /> <br />Aladdin went all "WTF are you talking about? I don't want to have sex with Mozenrath!" A chapter later he was rubbing some kind of healing lotion on Mozey. They might have got it on after that, but I stopped reading. <br /> <br />Anyway, what I find interesting is that the fic got rid of Jasmine by making her the supportive female character instead of bashing her. I'm not saying that's good because it was OOC, but I find it a surprising choice since females usually get the shorter end of the stick in some slash fics. <br /> <br />Secondly, does anyone have any idea why so many authors (both slash and het) think that having sex right after being raped is a good idea? I'd imagine it's the last thing a rape victim might want to think about. <br /> <br />So, anyone else remember this creepy fic?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Salukfan</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:43 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I can't get into the idea of Aladdin/Mozenrath. I see it as some people trying to force slash into a fandom that is really hard to slash-up. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> I love slash stuff--I have a tendency to shoehorn it into stuff--but this series? It can't be done. I've <span style="font-style: italic">tried</span> to watch the series with an Brokebackian mindset, but naga. It's just not in there. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I mean, this is a fandom full of magic, surely you can come up with a way to get them together for long enough for whatever you need them to do without totally butchering their personalities? </td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That reminds me of an episode of Lilo and Stitch, "Hunkahunka". The experiment that causes people to fall in love with the first person they see. It's the canon strange pairing moments-- Gantu/Pleakley, Gantu/Hamsterviel, Gantu/Stitch, Gantu/Nani, Lilo/Keoni. <br /> <br />That idea could be easily adapted to an Aladdin fic. Hell, it's a cliche already. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> [/quote]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Mariposa79</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:15 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mozenrath and Aladdin: To Be Or Not To Be?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>AladdinFan92 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Mariposa79 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />I stumbled of one of those fanfics. It just ruins the Al and Jas romantic fantasy. Al and Jas should always be together and should stay that way.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree. It's not so much the actual breakup that bothers me (although that does bug me) , but the <span style="font-style: italic">way</span> in which they're broken up. They're usually made so OOC you don't feel like it's them anymore.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I could see them fight, I mean what couple doesn't fight? they would have their momentsof getting into a Spat. but I know that Al and Jas would be back together. There was this one story that was really good. It had Al choosing between another girl and jasmine. Somehow that author never got to go around to finish it and the story it was published before KOT. BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AladdinFan92</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:00 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mozenrath and Aladdin: To Be Or Not To Be?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Mariposa79 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />I stumbled of one of those fanfics. It just ruins the Al and Jas romantic fantasy. Al and Jas should always be together and should stay that way.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree. It's not so much the actual breakup that bothers me (although that does bug me) , but the <span style="font-style: italic">way</span> in which they're broken up. They're usually made so OOC you don't feel like it's them anymore.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Mariposa79</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:53 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Mozenrath and Aladdin: To Be Or Not To Be?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>AladdinFan92 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The Al/Moze fandom is growing bigger by the day. What do you guys think of the pairing? I don't really hear many people talking about it on here. Personally,I prefer Al and Jas, but some Al/Moze fanfics are good, and make it believable. Still, Al and Jas went through 3 movies and a TV series just to get <span style="font-style: italic">married</span>. I can't imagine them going through all that, and then having Aladdin suddenly turn gay. <img src="images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I stumbled of one of those fanfics. It just ruins the Al and Jas romantic fantasy. Al and Jas should always be together and should stay that way.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AmethystFae</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:01 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I haven't seen the episode in which his skeletal hand is revealed, but doesn't he say something about Aladdin getting everything on a silver platter while he had to pay a price for his success?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">I don't remember anything like that in The Citadel, but there was a line like that in The Lost City of the Sun, something like "You had a genie handed to to you on a silver platter, this [his skeletal hand] is what I payed for power". If he's had anything bad happen to him in the past other than having the flesh of his hand stripped off he's made no mention of it. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />He might have been a nerd or a loner in school. I could also see a father with a temper/just as addicted to power or work, but again, that's just a fan's speculations. The nerd in school thing was inspired, though, when Aladdin questioned how many parties he'd been invited to. <br /> <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PrincessHikaru wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't necessarily like the rape concept, for obvious reasons. But also, because in the past, I've seen people in different fandoms come up with rape stories so easily. It annoys me, because that's such a sensative topic for many people. I'm wondering if these same writers would write the same material after talking to rape victims.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">With me it's more like... first it's implying that only <span style="font-style: italic">sexual</span> abuse is bad. Why not being beaten or verbally abused? </td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I never thought about it that way. And the beating or verbal abuse, according to most cases, would make more sense. <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Secondly it seems in most of the fics that use this it's used as an excuse, like because he was abused it excuses anything bad he ever did, like he couldn't help it. Lots of people get abused and not all of them are evil sorcerers. <img src="images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> And it makes his killing of Destane look justified, when in canon it's used to show just how evil he really is.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I've noticed that in some other rape fics I've read. And whether or not Destane did anything, or would have, Mozenrath would have gotten the drop on the old man either way, I think. <br /> <br />~Hikaru</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:37 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I haven't seen the episode in which his skeletal hand is revealed, but doesn't he say something about Aladdin getting everything on a silver platter while he had to pay a price for his success?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">I don't remember anything like that in The Citadel, but there was a line like that in The Lost City of the Sun, something like "You had a genie handed to to you on a silver platter, this [his skeletal hand] is what I payed for power". If he's had anything bad happen to him in the past other than having the flesh of his hand stripped off he's made no mention of it. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PrincessHikaru wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't necessarily like the rape concept, for obvious reasons. But also, because in the past, I've seen people in different fandoms come up with rape stories so easily. It annoys me, because that's such a sensative topic for many people. I'm wondering if these same writers would write the same material after talking to rape victims.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">With me it's more like... first it's implying that only <span style="font-style: italic">sexual</span> abuse is bad. Why not being beaten or verbally abused? <br /> <br />Secondly it seems in most of the fics that use this it's used as an excuse, like because he was abused it excuses anything bad he ever did, like he couldn't help it. Lots of people get abused and not all of them are evil sorcerers. <img src="images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> And it makes his killing of Destane look justified, when in canon it's used to show just how evil he really is.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:23 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There can never be enough ranting about that; it drives me nuts, too! Even if it wasn't a cliche, canon says that Destane was nasty to everyone *except* Mozenrath. (Except if Mozenrath was lying, but what reason would he have to do so? I'd understand not wanting to tell Aladdin about being molested but he could have at least implied that Destane didn't treat him all that well.)</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Exactly. While Mozenrath sure wouldn't tell Aladdin (or anyone) if he had suffered sexual abuse, I can see him making a comment about his not so perfect life to annoy him. I haven't seen the episode in which his skeletal hand is revealed, but doesn't he say something about Aladdin getting everything on a silver platter while he had to pay a price for his success? <br /> <br />Besides, he doesn't really carry himself like someone who has been molested to the point I see in some fanfics. Mozenrath is loud, self-confident and takes crap from nobody. If he had been abused, surely that would show somewhere, even if he was doing his best to hide it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AmethystFae</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:15 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">These are also often the fics that use the "Mozenrath was raped/abused by Destane so needs true love to cure his scars" fanon. I'm SO sick of that, but I'd never stop if I started ranting about it, so...</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">There can never be enough ranting about that; it drives me nuts, too! Even if it wasn't a cliche, canon says that Destane was nasty to everyone *except* Mozenrath. (Except if Mozenrath was lying, but what reason would he have to do so? I'd understand not wanting to tell Aladdin about being molested but he could have at least implied that Destane didn't treat him all that well.)</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />When I write, it's with the idea that toward the end, Destane felt threatened by Mozenrath. (Possibly for good reason, as we saw. hehehe) <br /> <br />I don't necessarily like the rape concept, for obvious reasons. But also, because in the past, I've seen people in different fandoms come up with rape stories so easily. It annoys me, because that's such a sensative topic for many people. I'm wondering if these same writers would write the same material after talking to rape victims. <br /> <br />~Hikaru</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:03 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">These are also often the fics that use the "Mozenrath was raped/abused by Destane so needs true love to cure his scars" fanon. I'm SO sick of that, but I'd never stop if I started ranting about it, so...</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">There can never be enough ranting about that; it drives me nuts, too! Even if it wasn't a cliche, canon says that Destane was nasty to everyone *except* Mozenrath. (Except if Mozenrath was lying, but what reason would he have to do so? I'd understand not wanting to tell Aladdin about being molested but he could have at least implied that Destane didn't treat him all that well.)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:55 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Damn time zones! You guys had this great conversation while I was asleep and now I missed all the action! <img src="images/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> <br /> <br />I like to think that I'm very open-minded about pairings. My motto goes "Anything works if you write it well enough" and I think it applies to Al/Moze too. However, I lack the passion for that pairing so I've never read the fics and don't know if someone has accomplished the level when the fic is good. <br /> <br />From the little I've read though, there seem to be people who view Mozenrath as a weepy little man-girl who needs Aladdin to save him. Um, since when? Why is it that so many people write slash in which one is clearly the submissive one and the other the dominating? There is this one Al/Moze fic that I tried to read (wanted to see what was so good about the pairing, I guess) but I had to stop because of the way Mozenrath was twisted into another character. <br /> <br />These are also often the fics that use the "Mozenrath was raped/abused by Destane so he needs true love to cure his scars" fanon. I'm SO sick of that, but I'd never stop if I started ranting about it, so... <br /> <br />Ack, I better stop before I get too off topic.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AmethystFae</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Disney Princess wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I cannot STAND this pairing because I don't see any basis for it whatsoever in canon.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">Well, Mozenrath wanted Aladdin's body in "Two to Tangle", but not in that way. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Some people might even use that as their basis. <br /> <br />~Hikaru</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:39 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Disney Princess wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I cannot STAND this pairing because I don't see any basis for it whatsoever in canon.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">Well, Mozenrath wanted Aladdin's body in "Two to Tangle", but not in that way. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>PrincessHikaru wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I think the idea of pairing Aladdin and Mozenrath is a stupid and twisted one. First of all, neither showed any signs of being homosexual. And just because Mozenrath didn't have a girlfriend or show the same interest in the opposite sex that, say, Jafar did, doesn't make him gay.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />*jumps to the other side of the argument, as I am wont to do* <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br />1. There are other things in the spectrum besides 100% gay and 100% straight. I'm not saying Aladdin is bisexual because I don't think that but you could write it that way and it wouldn't necissarily be OOC. Devil's advocate, yanno. <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> <br />2. Just because we don't have any evidence on Moze either way, he's not straight until proven gay. That is, you wouldn't really be justified in flaming someone because "OMG MOZE IZNT GAY!!!1". I mean, statistically it is more likely that he is straight, but, still... <br /> <br />3. As long as you don't expect it to be all happy endings and rainbows and fluffy bunnies you <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> write a fic about them being together and not have it be OOC. I mean, think of all the things canon itself has used to make the characters OOC: the Blue Rose of Forgetfulness, the mood stones, backfired spells making people think they're Dragonslayer <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> , people switching bodies with other people, other people having their heads detatched from their bodies or being split up into 7 different parts of their personality... I mean, this is a fandom full of magic, surely you can come up with a way to get them together for long enough for whatever you need them to do without totally butchering their personalities? <br /> <br />So, I guess that third part of the post is directed to both sides: side 1, nothing's impossible; side 2, be more creative, damn you! <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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