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[quote="Emmlei"]I've just got able to rewatch "Dune Quixote", and I'm taking the opportunity to start a discussion about it. (Thanks Merkal for putting it up). Firstly, this episode is just fun. It's a chance to see Aladdin acting silly, and really plays up the cliche of the brave knight. I loved the Don Quixote reference and spoof. It just has me grinning. Secondly, it's a Sadira episode. She's my favorite supporting character in the series, and we get to see her tenaciousness in full swing. She doesn't quit! I think this is the only episode where she and Jasmine were actually quarreling over Aladdin ("Strike up the sand" was a surprise, and "Sandswitch" Jasmine wasn't really aware of the true relationship). Kind of interesting to see the jealous side of Jasmine in a little more in character context. Now, I just need to check if "Witch way did she go?" is up.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Salukfan</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The Odiferians(sp?) didn't captivate me at all. </td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I have to agree with that. The Odiferan episodes are probably my least favorite "group" of episodes (though Frozen North and/or Ayam Aghoul episodes vie for the title). There's some fun gags in the Odiferan episodes, but the characters themselves (with the exceptions of Runtar and Gouda) didn't impress me.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JTurner</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think this episode is probably best watched as a "sequence"; IOW, "Strike Up the Sand", "Sandswitched", and THEN "Don Quixote" and "Which Way Did She Go?" because it comes across very much like a fleshed out character arc; watching these episodes individually and in random order feels somewhat unsatisfying to me. <br /> <br />That said, I do think the Sadira storyline makes for a far more interesting arc than, say, any episode with those cheese-loving barbarians, because Sadira comes across as a very well realized, interesting character who changes and matures through her relationships with Aladdin and Jasmine. The Odiferians(sp?) didn't captivate me at all. <br /> <br />-Jon T.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:22 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Good idea. I'll make a thread about it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm up for it. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> But IMO it would work best if you put a word limit on it; people would be more likely to actually finish. <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:41 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Emmlei wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />It'd be an interesting challenge to say the least. And fun if people can think outside of the purely romantic idea of a pairing. I'd be up for it.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Me too. If more people find it interesting, we could actually do it. It's more fun with lots of participants -- and pairings.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Emmlei</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:35 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Slightly OT, but I've always wanted to have a "strange pairing marathon" in which everyone draws two names from a hat and has to attempt a decent pairing fic with those two characters. So much fun could come from that. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It'd be an interesting challenge to say the least. And fun if people can think outside of the purely romantic idea of a pairing. I'd be up for it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:04 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Emmlei wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />How about this? I'll get my act together and get the first half of the fanfic written within the next month, and I'll let you look at it, critique it, threaten me with painful death for the absurdity of it, and then I'll say.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That's a deal! I have a fetish for odd pairings. <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yeah, you pretty much have to turn Mozenrath good or Sadira evil to make it work; I've seen a few that had them as a couple sometime before Witch Way Did She Go? and it always seemed like a stretch. It would be interesting if someone could make it work, though.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Slightly OT, but I've always wanted to have a "strange pairing marathon" in which everyone draws two names from a hat and has to attempt a decent pairing fic with those two characters. So much fun could come from that. <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:36 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jafaria wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I like Sadira being redeemed from her quasivillainy, but if she's friends with Jasmine that totally destroys my Mozenrath/Sadira pairing because Sadira isn't going to go off with someone who tries to destroy her friend's kingdom. Oh well. I still like it, even if it makes no sense.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody">Yeah, you pretty much have to turn Mozenrath good or Sadira evil to make it work; I've seen a few that had them as a couple sometime before Witch Way Did She Go? and it always seemed like a stretch. <img src="images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /> It would be interesting if someone could make it work, though.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Emmlei</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>VampireNaomi wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Emmlei wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> Of course, the one-shot pairing I have in my head makes even less sense!</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />And what pairing is that? *curious*</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />How about this? I'll get my act together and get the first half of the fanfic written within the next month, and I'll let you look at it, critique it, threaten me with painful death for the absurdity of it, and then I'll say.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>VampireNaomi</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Emmlei wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> Of course, the one-shot pairing I have in my head makes even less sense!</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />And what pairing is that? *curious*</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Emmlei</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:30 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calluna wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />And, of course, once she's friends with Jasmine she doesn't <span style="font-style: italic">need</span> Aladdin anymore, since, as we find out in "Witch Way Did She Go?", <span style="font-style: italic">friendship is all she wanted the whole time</span>. Probably no one had ever been nice to her before Al, so when he was nice to her she blew the whole thing out of proportion. <img src="images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />A lot of good points made. I'm pointing this one out because, as often happens with me, I'll sometimes look at preceding episodes through the lens of one that stands out in regards to the character exploration. After looking at WWDSG?, I looked at Sadira as this lonely girl with a tough life. I liked that about her, and while she's one of my fav supporting characters but not my fav villian (I could never see as a true villain). <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jafaria wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I like Sadira being redeemed from her quasivillainy, but if she's friends with Jasmine that totally destroys my Mozenrath/Sadira pairing because Sadira isn't going to go off with someone who tries to destroy her friend's kingdom. Oh well. I still like it, even if it makes no sense.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I've only run across one of those, and I didn't quite get the pairing. Of course, the one-shot pairing I have in my head makes even less sense!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jafaria</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:46 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I like Sadira being redeemed from her quasivillainy, but if she's friends with Jasmine that totally destroys my Mozenrath/Sadira pairing because Sadira isn't going to go off with someone who tries to destroy her friend's kingdom. Oh well. I still like it, even if it makes no sense.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Calluna</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Emmlei wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">As far as Jas-Sadira's new friendship, I think it came from their working together, a start of new respect for each other. The shopping spree was pretty much an excuse to bond between girls.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Can't believe I never responded to this thread... <img src="images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="Embarassed" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Anyway, I agree with this. Up until that episode Sadira doesn't know Jasmine very well at all; she seems to think that she's this perfect prissy princess that Al only loves for her beauty and status, and that Al and Jas don't really have anything in common. Look at "Strike Up the Sand" (the only ep written mostly from the point of view of the villain, I think!), Sadira's stealing in the marketplace and tricking the guards while Jasmine's shopping for silk to make a stupid froofy outfit for Aladdin. From Sadira's POV, she's not only unsuitable for him, she's trying to change him! <br /> <br />She <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> thinks about Jas this way in SandSwitch and the beginning of Dune Quixote (notice both times she makes herself a princess? He only loves her because she's a princess, therefore if I'm a princess he'll love me!) But then in Dune Quixote she has to actually spend a lot of time around Jasmine, and, hey, she actually has a <span style="font-style: italic">personality</span> and she's good at the whole adventuring thing, so maybe she and Aladdin do have something in common! <br /> <br />And, of course, once she's friends with Jasmine she doesn't <span style="font-style: italic">need</span> Aladdin anymore, since, as we find out in "Witch Way Did She Go?", <span style="font-style: italic">friendship is all she wanted the whole time</span>. Probably no one had ever been nice to her before Al, so when he was nice to her she blew the whole thing out of proportion. <img src="images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Emmlei</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:52 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Billy Joe wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">He spooned me!! <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Heheh! That line. Actually, there were a lot lines in this episode. <br /> <br />(paraphrasing here) <br />Sadira: "Don't they teach you anything in the palace?" <br />Jasmine: "Not thievery!"</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AladdinsGenie</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:54 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Oh, that line <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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