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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinsGenie"]They can't possibly be talking about our movie. We're in the AladDin fandom; they are talking about Aladin so we are good :lol: [i]-Did I mention Pocohontas there? Well she would have been about 8 when she met John Smith in the real story. -.- [/i] ...ok, so what? Do you want a cookie for that statement? At this point, I am sure a lot of us are aware the Disney version is not the original story thanks to History classes, common knowledge and the fact I know parents who still won't let their child watch it because of its inaccuracies....just as we know ALL of them are not the original story. No duh. [i]Aladin doesn't have an Indian accent even though he's Indian. Nope, he's American. Even a really obviusly fake Asian accent would be a breakthrough for Disney. [/i] ...you've gotta be shittin' me. 1. Indian?! WTF? STEREOTYPE!! And he's not American. Where do you see he's American? America wasn't even around! 2. This is what I was talking about earlier. They WANT that stereotpyical accent in there, which would just prove how ignorant people are and warped the images of Arabs is. 3. A-L-A-[b]D[/b]-D-I-N. Learn this, please. It just makes me think you're even less intelligent when you want to argue about this movie, yet you can't even spell it. [i]Hourglass figures. Just look at Jasmine from Aladin. Look at her for about 30 seconds. Looka t her shape. It's not physically possible. Not only that but the cartoons for KIDS, damnit, are making them think that princesses are big-busted and tiny-waisted/slippered.[/i] Thank-you, Captain Obvious! Welcome to the caracatured body types of Aladdin! To your left you have sultan, who is based off an [i]egg[/i] and Iago, who is meant to be like a little [i] clay pot[/i]. Her hourglass figure was intentional and an artistic pun off that--do your research. For more examples of this, check out Hercules where Meg's body is meant to be like a Greek pot when she puts her hands on her hips. And can someone PLEASE tell me where Jasmine is big busted? I see this all the time and I really want to know where people are getting this from. Like, seriously. She's like what? A 'B' cup? *Maybe* a small 'C'? If that's big busted to you, do not meet me :lol: And yes, her stomach is small. We are well aware of it. Get over it. She's a 15 year old princess living in the higher bracket of society of a mythical Arab country set hundreds of years ago. I know of VERY few 'fat' or 'thick' princesses from that part of the world. P.S.--wtf is 'slippered'? [i]-Ugly sisters yadadada, yes I know it's in the original tale but Disney has major censoring/editing powers over innocent stories, as has been aforementionedly proved(o.o) -Ummm... Not remaining true to the original tales XP [/i] These two statements after each other are hysterical :lol:. "Yes I know it's in the original tale....but they're not being true to the original tale". Uuuuhh...oook? Honestly, I highly doubt anyone would want to see any of the fairy tales in their original forms. You *think* you want that and "omg purity!!11", but you reeeeally don't. You honest to God do not want to watch the real story of Pocahontas and I highly doubt you would watch an animated movie where the 8 year old marries the older John. You wouldn't want to take your child to see them and you know it. And even when people give you the slightest glimpses into the original fairy tales, very few people take it in. I LOVED The Brothers Grimm movie they just came out with that had little references to a lot of the fairy tales and how they came up with certain things. Some were twisted a little, yes, but quite a few weren't and not too many people cared for it. My brothers were highly disturbed the entire time. This person is highly amusing. They want to be a Disney hating feminist, yet don't have their facts right that they hate :lol:. Where is this at?[/quote]
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Nez
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:56 am
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*applauds APK for an apt arguement*
*then realizes that she made an alliteration*
Ariellen
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:50 pm
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APK, that was a great, great post. We just studied feminist theories of communication in my communication theory; way to hit the nail on the head.
Syera
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:43 pm
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Change isn't always bad. Some changes are for the better. If it's something you're wanting and willing to do, why not?
Guest
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:37 pm
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Syera wrote:
Whoa, there, Princess. Don't go slamming 'tobacco supporters' from Pocahontas' time, mmm-kay? Nobody back then knew the dangers of smoking. (Dangers which, I'm not even sure existed as they do now before people were exposed to radiation due to testing atomic weaponry.)
Other than that, you've made some really good points.
Sorry, got a tad carried away
I actually like the original Rolfe and Pocahontas story. Am I like the only one who believed he actually loved her? I do think he cared about her, which is hard to explain, because she did go through a lot of crap with changing who she was...
I was just mad because some people think it's offensive that disney made this version where pocahontas didn't change who she was. It's supposed to be offensive because it's not the original story. But if they had stuck to the original story, people would be saying the movie had "bad role models" because Pocahontas changed who she was.
APK
AmethystFae
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:22 pm
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APK wrote:
aww , but the hispanic girl from Atlantis was a cool character. Everyone in Atlantis was messed up anyway, even Milo and Kida. What about that guy who liked dirt and bombs?
What bugs me the most about this is that some people don't know the definition of feminism and they make the real feminists (Susan B Anthony, Oprah, Jasmine herself) look bad.
. . . .
I'm so glad you posted that. I'm one of those who believes that women can do anything that men can do. Not better, not worse. None of this supperior race bullcrap. But for a long time, I denied that I was a feminist, because I had the wrong idea of what a feminist is.
Also, I loved how you brought out the feminist in the different princesses.
~Hikaru
Syera
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:09 pm
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Whoa, there, Princess. Don't go slamming 'tobacco supporters' from Pocahontas' time, mmm-kay? Nobody back then knew the dangers of smoking. (Dangers which, I'm not even sure existed as they do now before people were exposed to radiation due to testing atomic weaponry.)
Other than that, you've made some really good points.
APK
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:59 pm
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aww , but the hispanic girl from Atlantis was a cool character. Everyone in Atlantis was messed up anyway, even Milo and Kida. What about that guy who liked dirt and bombs?
What bugs me the most about this is that some people don't know the definition of feminism and they make the real feminists (Susan B Anthony, Oprah, Jasmine herself) look bad.
A feminist only wants women and men to be equals. Feminsim is the belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
A feminist is not
1. Illogical, making arguments that don't exist
2. Furious about everything all the time, especially when there's nothing to be angry about
3. a person that believes women should be better and more superior than men to everything. (they only want the sexes to be equal)
Disney's heroines are feminist. They want equal and fair treatment for everybody and don't care how people look like (like Esmerelda), are not afraid of going against the grain and stay away from people who will not respect them (Belle), occassionally enjoy "traditional" feminine things such as having good hygiene but encourage men to do so to as well (Snow White), are intelligent (Jane) and are not prizes or objects to be won (Jasmine)
Feminist women come in all shapes and sizes and have different personalities. They could even be males, who feel women should be respected, even if they are imperfect women that society might look down upon (Hercules)
They are not perfect. Even Hercules naively wants to "save damsels in distress" but soon realizes even damsels in distress need to fight their own battles sometimes. I forgive him, because the poor boy didn't even know what a damsel
was
.
Anyway, Hercules's "damsel in distress" dream was added in purposefully for humor. Hercules's traditional role in history is to save damsels in distress, and Meg didn't want his help.
A feminist does not want to pick fights with people. They will defend themselves when they are being threatened or disrespected, but they don't start the fights just so they have something to fight about. But when they do have to fight, they are brave. (Mulan, Pocahontas)
A feminist stops being polite when they feel their personal space has been invaded (Jasmine, who told her one true love to go jump off a balcony when she first met him and then gave him a chance later on)
But they always try to be kind, even towards other bitchy women (Cinderella) and don't let petty people get the best of them.
But they don't confuse having class and being dignified and not letting others get the best of them, with letting people push them around.
They apologize and admit when they are wrong if you will apologize and admit you were wrong too. (Belle)
They ask God to bless everyone, not just themselves and their own cause. (Snow White asks God to bless the 7 dwarves including Grumpy, Esmerelda prays for the outcasts)
They aren't always the same race or relgion but can put themselves in the footsteps of a stranger and are willing to learn about different ways of life. (Pocahontas)
*****However, while they are open minded about other cultures they do not abandon their culture, change their name, convert, marry a tobacco supporter and die a young, tragic death by small pox******* (Disney's Pocahontas)
Disney came out with a children's book with pictures of their heroines with inspirational quotes on every page. I wish I had bought the book, I bet I'll never find it now. It would have quotes from their movies like, "I don't know what I can do. Still, I know I've got to try!" --Pocahontas.
"They can't stop me from dreaming."---Cinderella.
etc.
That was a looong post. I think my anger has subsided
AmethystFae
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:30 pm
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Gazmine wrote:
i'll admit, sometimes i notices things like that, and sometimes i do relize.
But the difference between me and them, is i keep it to myself and dont try to make a huge consperisy over it!
It's ok to notice things like that. And it's ok to voice what you noticed, but not in such a way that your intent is to turn others away from it. The difference between you and them is that you don't let it ruin a good movie.
~Hikaru
The Evil Chalupa
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:54 pm
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You mispelled that SO wrong.
Gazmine
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:05 pm
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i'll admit, sometimes i notices things like that, and sometimes i do relize.
But the difference between me and them, is i keep it to myself and dont try to make a huge consperisy over it!
Mariposa79
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:18 pm
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Gazmine wrote:
in all honesty, the people who run around saying "i'm not rasicist, i'm fighting it!" mostlikely they are. i think it's racist to notice something is racist. Like the people who say 'No i'm not! i have black friends!' Well...you noticed right?
i remember when Atlantis came out and every one got upset because the female machanic was a hispanic poor girl who's father couldn't afford their shop. And they read into that as racist?! Same thing with TLK2, that all the outsiders were darker than the pridelanders. the people who are most biasted, are the ones noticing.
It's people like that make want to shake them and tell them to open their mind because the world is not that small in their perspective mind.
The world is full of endless possiblities so don't close it to have only one.
These people don't realized that Disney is just telling a story.
There are different techinques that separates the antagonists and antigonists (or was it proantagonists) which that gives a melodrama. Which gives the audience who is the villian and who is the hero.
In Atlantis, it's just putting people together with different skills , backgrounds, and different dreams. They come together being a team and end up being heroes with money to full fill their needs.
Atlantis was set like in the 1940's ? the setting was in New York? Wasn't New York was considered to be a multicultural diversity during that time because Ellis Island was a gate of opportunity for people all over the world.
As in TLK2? The outsiders were descendants from Scar's line because Scar is darker than Mufasa. It has absolutley nothing to do with race.
AmethystFae
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:05 pm
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Gazmine wrote:
in all honesty, the people who run around saying "i'm not rasicist, i'm fighting it!" mostlikely they are. i think it's racist to notice something is racist. Like the people who say 'No i'm not! i have black friends!' Well...you noticed right?
i remember when Atlantis came out and every one got upset because the female machanic was a hispanic poor girl who's father couldn't afford their shop. And they read into that as racist?! Same thing with TLK2, that all the outsiders were darker than the pridelanders. the people who are most biasted, are the ones noticing.
There isn't a movie, TV show, or book that's going to please everybody. Even if something was intended to be wholesome, people will find something wrong with it. They didn't portray such and such religion/race/nationality properly. So and so's breasts were too big. That man was hard up and the animators did it on purpose.
And, I agree with your comment about people who go out of their way to prove they aren't racist. We're all biased, and the only way we can become more open-minded is to realize that.
~Hikaru
Gazmine
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 12:56 pm
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in all honesty, the people who run around saying "i'm not rasicist, i'm fighting it!" mostlikely they are. i think it's racist to notice something is racist. Like the people who say 'No i'm not! i have black friends!' Well...you noticed right?
i remember when Atlantis came out and every one got upset because the female machanic was a hispanic poor girl who's father couldn't afford their shop. And they read into that as racist?! Same thing with TLK2, that all the outsiders were darker than the pridelanders. the people who are most biasted, are the ones noticing.
The Evil Chalupa
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:46 am
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Ha... okay. Then I guess Lumiere is a racist symbol, too? And Cogsworth, and Zazu, and Iago, and Wendy, and Jane, and so on and so forth.
First people complain that Disney doesn't have any accents. And when the characters do, they immediately claim its racist?
And what's wrong with being called Al? I'm called Al, and that's not my "culture" either.
These people are so stupid it's funny.
If they're not being called racist, Disney's being called pornographic or some other silly thing.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:51 am
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APK wrote:
I don't know why people choose to quote her at all, why any of her writing gets publsihed or why she still has any sort of influence...one of her arguments against the TLM is that sebastian is a racist symbol. Sebastian is a crab, and Disney was trying to say that Jamaicans are crabby
She says aladdin is racist because Aladdin told people to call him 'Al" which is a western name and not part of his culture
http://www.newint.org/easier-english/Disney/diswomen.html
What?! Oh, this person is a certified jackass and I mean that from the heart
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