[rn]

Disney is NOT feminist, but it is NOT anti-feminist either. Remember that most disney films, cartoon or not, have some romance in them (Aladdin, TLK, Sleeping Beauty...). Some disney films also have (or one of) the main character a female (Mulan, Cinderella, Beauty and the beast, The Little Mermaid, Cinderella) so 9it's not easy to point out weather Disney is one or the other. Some of you may disagree on this one.

[Husse]

It's just some hyper-feminist trying to be picky.

[persian85033]

Well, Jasmine wants to be free, and she escapes from the Palace, and rejects all the suitors and everything.

[Hourglass]

Syera (and others)

I see your point about acting 'as they would in their times'...

With Jasmine, especially.

But Aladdin was made to have a very modern feel to it. And modern means modern views and personas.

Jasmine, even though she was set back then, was meant to have the attitude of today.

You have to look at the setting in the movie, but listen to the attitude of the conversation to know which era the movie is really supposed to piculate.

[persian85033]

Thanks.

[Sadira]

www.newint.org/issue308/dolls.html Just thought I would share the article. Enjoy !

[persian85033]

About that Nala and the lioness example, well, it was true that they couldn't overthrow Scar. I mean in real life, every pride of lions has to hav a male leader, for protection. And besides, it wasn't just Scar, it was the hyenas, too. And female lions can't fight against a male lion, because they don't have manes. The mane is to protect the neck, shoulders, and all that when they fight. Females usually do the hunting, for the same reason, that they don't have manes, and they can't be seen as easily. So, I don't think that was anti-feminist. That's just reality. The males are stronger, and their role in the pride is to fight and protect them. The females are there to bring food to the pride. Besides, they were pretty depressed and all that. They didn't know what to do.

And I don't think Aladdin treated Jasmine as an object. Achmed, and her other suitors, maybe, but not Aladdin.

I'd like to read that article.

[Husse]

Well, if Neo let his hair grow out, he WOULD'VE looked like that.

http://www.legendaryfrog.net/lite/movies.htm

Click "The Matrix has You," then "Zion Rave."

[Jas]

[Syera]

That's Sheppard dancing!

I didn't think he looked a thing like Neo.

[Husse]

Have a "you're the proof" cookie.

What's that thing in your sig that looks like Neo dancing?

[Jas]

[Husse]

Perhaps Quasi said it best relating to not-exact films:

SANCTUARY! SAAAAANCTUARY!!!

[AladdinsGenie]

Huckleberry Finn and the Adventures of Tom Sawyer are my favorite books ever next to the Arabian Nights. They're funny, but it's real. I just got my head bit off the other day for saying the Disney's version of the Hunchback of Notre Dame was a great film because "OMG IT'S HORRIBLE AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE BOOK." Um, hi, yeah--NONE of them are. Pocahontas I can see where the fuss is in that one being changed, but really--are you going watch an animated film about a 13 year old native American running off with a 30 something year old Englishman? Yeah it really happened *points to Jas and her existance *, but a lot of true stories are remade to be something different. For what both of them are, Hunchback AND Pocahontas, they are nice films despite them not being in their true forms.

[Syera]